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SA Muslims march for Ashura, day of memorial for Husain Ibn Ali, who fought against ancient version of Islamic State The Advertiser October 12, 2016 11:34am HUNDREDS of South Australian Muslims have marched down King William St to celebrate Ashura, an annual day of memorial in honour of Imam Husain. According to organisers, Husain Ibn Ali was the grandson of Islam’s founder, the prophet Muhammad, and he remains a symbol of peace, freedom, equality and opposition to tyranny. Half a century after the death of his grandfather, Husain came into conflict with a tyrannical caliph and led a force of just 72 soldiers against a force of thousands. All of them were killed. Participants in today’s march in Adelaide have used this example to express their opposition to the murderous extremists of Islamic State, a modern day version of the evil caliph Husain battled 1300 years ago, and called for love and unity between peoples of all faiths. -Bernard Humphreys ===================================== Newest | Oldest | Top Comments Steven Steven 21 minutes ago Where are the men? Is this march just for Muslim women? Is it only the Muslim women allowed "to express their opposition to the murderous extremists of Islamic State"? So many questions, yet the journalist seems to have presented an article which seems bereft of an in-depth information. If the article was intended to portray the Muslim community in a more peace loving light, it seems to have done little more then add further confusion or contradictions in the Muslim ideology. Richard Richard 42 minutes ago “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.” - Quran (8:12) Eric Eric 27 minutes ago @Richard Can you do some quotes from the Old Testaments? Steven Steven 13 minutes ago @Eric @Richard If you are a follower of Jesus, then you will find Jesus rejected the violence of the old scripture. Of course if you had read the Gospels of the New Testament, you would have known that. By the way, you have already acknowledge that the Old Testament had been superseded by the New Testament, by referring to it as the "Old Testament". It is a simple mistake to make. You are confusing Christianity with the older Judaic customs. You may, of course direct your question to Jewish followers. 2Dukenayf001 Andrew Andrew 24 minutes ago @Richard "Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open." - Hosea 13:16. The Bible isn't all sunshine and rainbows either. David 50 minutes ago What is country coming too to allow this sort of rubbish? 2nayf001KennyLikeReply Gabe 51 minutes ago According to organisers, Husain Ibn Ali was the grandson of Islam’s founder, the prophet Muhammad, and he remains a symbol of peace, freedom, equality and opposition to tyranny Haha, equality?? Between who, women, atheists, jews?? Yeah right 1Darren Richard Richard 54 minutes ago “Fight those who do not believe in Allah… until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection” - Quran (9:29). 1nayf001 Richard Richard 54 minutes ago A thought provoking report. mark mark 1 hour ago "an annual day of memorial "....yeah right Eric Eric 26 minutes ago @mark That's called Xmas, isn't it? mark mark 1 hour ago get off the road 2nayf001Darren Sue Sue 1 hour ago Shiia martyr from one of the Sunni and Shiia civil wars... respun for the current conflicts. Expect bombings and unrest in the places this is a national holiday Darren Darren 1 hour ago ' and he remains a symbol of peace, freedom, equality and opposition to tyranny' Oh the irony. 1nayf001 Eric Eric 24 minutes ago @Darren Just like the name Jesus and then the Popes who came later, like the Spanish Inquisition. Charles Charles Richard Richard 1 hour ago This isn't renouncing terrorism it's celebrating a leader who won a war. The Muslim community should be more vocal about denouncing terrorism 6nayf001GabeDarrenjo Roger Roger 1 hour ago @Richard are you vocal about every act carried out by a christian? 3DonnaKimPeter Richard Richard 42 minutes ago Roger if I lived in Dubai and radical Christians were killing in the name of Christ I would absolutely denounce them - don't spin the issue 2nayf001Duke Duke 39 minutes ago @Roger @Richard Australians are very secular and identify themselves by their country, not their religion. As an Australian of German decent I can say my past relatives were very willing to point out the 'enemy within'. They were loyal Australians and many died fighting the 'Mother Country' because they saw themselves as Australians, when most Australians of UK decent still saw themselves as English servants. Kim 1 hour ago @Richard They are vocal but no one listens when they do because it doesn't suit the narrative that they're the bad guys Peter 2 hours ago Why is this story not more prominent. People keep saying Muslims should be more vocal about bein anti terrorism and here is a good example of just such a thing. 4BertieTDerekDestiny Eat More Greens 2 hours ago @Peter I’m not seeing anything ‘anti-terrorism’ in this march at all Peter, besides the writer’s own slant. Looks like a typical celebration of a predominately Shia Muslim annual religious event to me. Where do you see the anti-terrorism message? 4nayf001markjoRichard L Bernard 1 hour ago @Eat More Greens @Peter The writer was at the march and heard the anti-IS messages conveyed by loudspeaker. FlagShare 1PeterLikeReply Eat More Greens Eat More Greens 1 hour ago @Bernard @Eat More Greens @Peter Why didn't you quote these 'messages' in the article? How many people were involved delivering in these so-called 'messages'? Where were the placards? Where were the male marchers? I stand by my point that this is an annual religious event observed by mainly Shia Muslims around the world - your suggestion this was an 'anti-terrorism' march is a massive beat-up. 3nayf001joMathias John John 1 hour ago @Eat More Greens @Peter None so blind as those who don't want to see. FlagShare 2MarkPeterLikeReply Charles Charles 1 hour ago @Eat More Greens @Peter pro terrorism you mean FlagShare 1joLikeReply Charles Charles 1 hour ago @Eat More Greens @Peter Barbara Barbara 1 hour ago @Peter There didn't seem too many men marching today and most women would be against terrorism, but never the less, Muslims should come out and tell us that they do not want sharia laws and are prepared to honour our flag and uphold our laws. 1Darren Christine 2 hours ago When I mixed easily with Muslim students under the Columbo plan they dressed as we did, no head coverings, and it was some time before I knew any were Muslim, why are they so different today. Well dressed Indonesian women rarely wear head scarves, they dress very smartly, long sleeves and skirts covering their knees, the young now wear head coverings and very tight jeans, it doesn't quite make sense. 1jo John 2 hours ago Predominately a female Muslim memorial march I take it!! FlagShare 2DarrenDamienLikeReply Eat More Greens Eat More Greens 2 hours ago @John Men would have been at the front - of course. FlagShare 2nayf001JohnLikeReply Charles Charles 1 hour ago @Eat More Greens @John Yes and holding the guns FlagShare 4nayf001markjoDarrenLikeReply Eric Eric 23 minutes ago @Eat More Greens @John Doesn't the Bible say something about women being the property of the male? ========================================== Oldest | Top Comments John John Oct 13, 2016 Note well and understand the points raised by Richard below. It is essential to understand the absolute fact there is NO such thing as a "peaceful" Muslim, they all live by their religion and are only faithful to the Koran. This event is really just a facade and to create a good image in the eyes of the less astute, analogous to the toy run held by the bikies. Both events simply sanitize facts. All religion, especially fundamental, be it Muslim or "christian" is dangerous. Religion is as Huxley correctly observed, the Opium of the masses. More people have died in the name of religion than from any other cause. A fundamental "christian" is just as dangerous as a fundamental Muslim. FlagShare LikeReply Ali Ali Oct 13, 2016 @John Can't it be "moderate religion" like billions of people around the world? You seem to be taking a religious person as equal to a "fundamental" religious person. FYI, a non-religious person here. FlagShare LikeReply Richard Richard Oct 13, 2016 Bernard Humphreys did a great job with his report about the Muslim march in Adelaide commemorating the Battle of Karbala in which Husain ibn Ali (the third Imam of Shia Islam) and his associates were killed by the forces of the oppressive Umayyad caliph, Yazi I (Sunni Muslim), for claiming to be the legitimate Islamic leader due largely to his nepotistic claim to this position (he was the grandson of the prophet Mohammad) despite little support among most Muslims at the time. This commemoration tacitly asserts the legitimacy of Shia Islam while rejecting the legitimacy of Sunni Islam, which is why it historically provokes violence. This commemoration is akin to Catholics holding a march commemorating the slaughter of a martyred Catholic leader and his associates by an oppressive Protestant leader as a result of rejecting his claim to leadership of local Christians who overwhelmingly supported him. Thus a recipe for sectarian violence. What next? Perhaps Muslims might commemorate the Villefranche-de-Rouergue Mutiny in which Muslim members of the13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) mutinied on September 16, 1943, in the French town of Villefranche-de-Rouergue. I imagine them marching down King William Street in Waffen SS uniforms. Readers might like to know that some Christians are planning an annual march commemorating the victims of two Muslim gunmen (Badsha Mahommed Gool, an ice-cream vendor, and Mullah Abdullah, a local imam and halal butcher, who were former camel-drivers) who ambushed a trainload full of Christian sightseers in 1915 (Battle of Broken Hill), murdering men, women and children. They believe the suffering of these martyred Christians and the brutality of the depraved Muslim terrorists must never be forgotten, and believe opposition would amount to a racist-like attack on Christendom driven by hateful Christianphobic bigotry, thus an attack on every Christian in Australia, and tacit support for Islamic terrorism. These Christians believe such a march is a religious duty and a ban would be a monstrous violation of their religious freedom. If the state failed to stop Muslims attacking this march I imagine that this might lead to a brutal conflict lasting generations involving massacres and ethnic cleansing like we see in Syria and Myanmar. Would this be the “blood price” of religious freedom and multiculturism? In closing, public marches that commemorate or celebrate violent conflicts are rightly banned, especially if they are of a sectarian nature that keep alive ancient religious conflicts and naturally lead to violence. The only exception would be secular state run marches that promote social cohesion like Anzac Day. If not then Australia will become increasingly Balkanized and eventually break apart as groups seek safety by creating their own enclaves as conflicts worsen, just as Sudan split with the creation of South Sudan in 2011. FlagShare LikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 13, 2016 @Richard 458 words and not a point to it. FlagShare LikeReply Barrie Barrie Oct 13, 2016 I don't get their reasoning except that they are trying to indicate that they are against Islamic State by recalling an event that occured 1300 years ago. This is Australia and not a place to revive history to prove what a group of moderate Muslims think. They may be moderates but note the dress, and where were the men? I think it was a public relations exercise, nothing more. It is a also a case of Town Hall multiculturalism going one step too far that sets a precedent. FlagShare LikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 @Barrie I guess it's like us using rememberance day to reflect on the toll war takes and how lucky we are to have peace. FlagShare LikeReply Anders Anders Oct 13, 2016 @Barrie They were protesting against a tyrant. Pardon me for laughing, but it didn't do them much good. In fact, the lefties have themselves screamed that US was wrong for removing tyrants because that's the only form of government that works in the Middle East. How many different ways can you have it? FlagShare 1stuartLikeReply Rupey Rupey Oct 13, 2016 But, but, but, Andrew Bolt said Muslims never condemn IS, so this must have been for something else, maybe Global Cooling Andrew?? FlagShare 1KatiLikeReply Brian Brian Oct 13, 2016 @Rupey These are Shia, ISIS are Sunni. There is always conflict between them. Any condemnation involved will be political not moral. FlagShare 1Sam CLikeReply Anders Anders Oct 13, 2016 There is no dichotomy between peaceful Muslims and the Jihadi. There is a progression of devoutness and support for hostility and the use of force, with every point in between occupied. It's exactly the same with Americans and most other cultures, including citizens of our high-crime suburbs. FlagShare LikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 Well if that's not a perfect example of a large group of moderate Muslims in Australiai opposing extremism publicly then I don't know what is. Meanwhile the majority of the comments below prove the islamaphobia and facism in our country. To quote Mercutio from Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet 'Be Satisfied'. FlagShare 2AliRupeyLikeReply Gordon Gordon Oct 13, 2016 So when are they marching against the current extremism and world wide jihad? FlagShare 2stuartAndersLikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 @Gordon Can you not read? FlagShare LikeReply stuart stuart Oct 13, 2016 @Gordon Better still when are they going to rise and fight against it, instead of allowing it to come to our communities FlagShare LikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 @stuart Do you even understand what is going on in Syria? Wow. Try google for a start. FlagShare LikeReply Miss Miss Oct 13, 2016 Headline should read "SA's Shia Muslims". Why are they all women and children? The males were at the head of the march by any chance? FlagShare 1BrianLikeReply stuart stuart Oct 13, 2016 @Miss Nah, surely the males are off fighting for their rights and what they believe in. FlagShare LikeReply Jenny Jenny Oct 13, 2016 I just wish there wasnt religion and extremism in this world. In theory Religion was suppose to be a peaceful and caring doctrine but it turns out in practice to be the reverse. FlagShare 2RupeyKatiLikeReply Barrie Barrie Oct 13, 2016 @Jenny Jenny may I say with respect for your opinion that it is not religion,but what and how people structure it, or invent it for self interest. The Christian faith is the true faith because it honours God correctly as the Creator of all things. Anything that differs usurps the truth but, I must acknowledge that there are differences in how many see the Christian faith and that is the confusing issue to so many. A true Christian has an ongoing relationship with God and does not require human inbetweens. Conversation with God is a norm and not beholding to those who have self interests and believe that they are the only religion/faith. So many religions are clothed in antiquated and anachronistic rituals and performances that have no place in God's world. I cannot fathom as a mature age and practical theology student, how so many people can deliberately misinterpret the Bible by reading it,yet failing to understand the narrative. They do not understand it yet they preach what they do not understand. That is where the damage has been,as is still being done So Jenny to back to your comment; if people read and sought assistance from people who are not self interested antiquated Bible bashers, then yes, the true Christian religion would change the world. FlagShare LikeReply Brian Brian Oct 13, 2016 @Jenny Extremism of any sort can be readily discerned. They are the ones who do their best to shut down any opposing voice by any means possible while pushing their views as loudly as possible. FlagShare LikeReply Roger Roger Oct 13, 2016 Adam Savage (Mythbusters) is the true prophet, 'I reject your reality and substitute my own' FlagShare 1RupeyLikeReply Martin Martin Oct 13, 2016 When they stop the violence in their community and become interested in being a part of the Australian community I will take them seriously! FlagShare 7stuartKennyAndersjoLikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 @Martin So here they are denouncing extremism and you're still not satisfied........what exactly is it that you want, a freaking ham sandwich from them? FlagShare 2RupeyPeterLikeReply Tim Tim Oct 13, 2016 "a symbol of peace, freedom, equality and opposition to tyranny." Hilarious, now that my friends is comedy GOLD! FlagShare 5stuartjonayf001ALISONLikeReply Charlotte Charlotte Oct 13, 2016 Actually, yes it is. So if you don't know anything then don't say it. FlagShare LikeReply John John Oct 13, 2016 They could have done with one of these marches in Sydney yesterday. FlagShare 4jonayf001GaryToniLikeReply Ashley Ashley Oct 13, 2016 Allow this, then that and then what ? FlagShare 2DanALISONLikeReply jon jon Oct 13, 2016 @Ashley. So Muslims can't march but everybody else can? FlagShare 3NaomiKatiSueLikeReply Dan Dan Oct 13, 2016 @jon Yeah, but show me another ethnic group that marches for something completely unrelated to our shared Australian history. Do Greeks march in honour of Alexander, or Italians for Julius Caesar? By marching down main street, they're forcing us to stop and recognise some relic of the past to which we share no allegiance or understanding. Why should we be forced to do that? FlagShare 1stuartLikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 @Dan @jon Like the xmas pageant you mean? FlagShare LikeReply Sue Sue Oct 13, 2016 @Kati @Dan @jon The Christmas Pageant is actually pretty secular.. very commercial.. It features Santa Claus and a grotto of commercialism not Jesus at the Nativity... is full of storybook characters, not Bible characters, and is held months ahead of the gazetted public holiday ' (which is only one version of Christmas day anyway...) A better analogy would be orthodox or catholic saints day marches & fairs in various suburbs.. or the swimming for the cross at Henley/Grange jetty... Plenty of us would like to rearranged the gazetted holidays.. off of religious dates like Catholic Christmas, Catholic Easter, or culturally difficult dates like Australia (Sydney settlement) Day FlagShare 1stuartLikeReply Scott Scott Oct 13, 2016 @Kati @Dan @jon How many people did Santa kill Kati?? FlagShare 1stuartLikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 13, 2016 @Scott @Kati @Dan @jon Got the Klaus out Scott! FlagShare LikeReply CJR CJR Oct 13, 2016 As an Atheist, I just wanted to get where I was going in the city without being held-up by religious nonsense. FlagShare 8Danjonayf001ALISONLikeReply jon jon Oct 13, 2016 @CJR. It wasn't religious it was in support of not killing people. FlagShare 1KatiLikeReply Eat More Greens Eat More Greens Oct 13, 2016 @jon "It wasn't religious it was in support of not killing people". What was it an earlier poster said about there being none so blind as those who will not see? FlagShare LikeReply Scott Scott Oct 12, 2016 Should be illegal FlagShare 5stuartnayf001ALISONToniLikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 12, 2016 @Scott The right to celebrate ones heroes and/or religious anniversaries? FlagShare 3NaomiKatiAlLikeReply Ali Ali Oct 12, 2016 @Bob why not in Adelaide most of participants are Australian citizens or residents and we are against ISIS and fully supports world fight against them FlagShare 7JaniceNaomiPeterTrishLikeReply Bob Bob Oct 12, 2016 Oh really? Perhaps they should be fighting oppression in the places they came from instead of Adelaide? FlagShare 12stuartjoALISONRogerLikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 @Bob Why would they do that when they live here? Are you going to fight injustices in the varied lands your forefathers came from? FlagShare LikeReply Mike 61 Mike 61 Oct 12, 2016 Yep now switch to Europe and see where it ends up. FlagShare 14stuartjonayf001ALISONLikeReply mick mick Oct 12, 2016 @Mike 61 too true mate FlagShare 2nayf001ToniLikeReply Ali Ali Oct 12, 2016 Influence of Imam Hussain (a.s) & Karabala ideology on Nelson Mandela:- Imam Hussain(a.s) and Karbala movement is ideal for all oppressed nations and freedom seeking movements of the world. Even for the Nelson Mandela.According to one of the writings of him Nelson Mandela wrote:- I(Nelson Mandela) has spent more than 20 years in prison, then on one night I decided to surrender by signing all the terms and conditions of government.BUT suddenly I thought about Imam Hussain and Karbala movement and Imam Hussain give me strenght to stand for right of freedom and liberation and I did. FlagShare 4AlSteveFamMarlaLikeReply jack jack Oct 12, 2016 does this mean we can have a Protestant Orange Walk in muslim countries? FlagShare 20stuartjonayf001ALISONLikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 12, 2016 @jack Or an Easter parade? Or a Christmas pageant? or an ANZAC march? FlagShare 20markstuartKennyjoLikeReply Steve Steve Oct 12, 2016 Well indeed Xmas and Easter is observed in many Countries where the Muslim faith is followed and indeed many 'Muslim' countries would happily support the ANZAC's as so many Australian soldiers fought with Muslims against the likes of Nazi Germany.... FlagShare 5JaniceNaomijonToniLikeReply jon jon Oct 13, 2016 @jack. @Gustav. Why is that important? We're not in those places we're more tolerant, that's why we like it here. FlagShare 2KatijoLikeReply Dan Dan Oct 13, 2016 @Gustav @jack These marches/parades reflect widespread and well understood Australian cultural practice, our collective, shared history. This march does not, that makes it different. FlagShare LikeReply Gordon Gordon Oct 13, 2016 @Steve So you think the Muslims were fighting the Nazi's? Trying to save the Jews perhaps. What history have you been reading? Not this planets. FlagShare 1stuartLikeReply Show More Comments John Oct 13, 2016 Note well and understand the points raised by Richard below. It is essential to understand the absolute fact there is NO such thing as a "peaceful" Muslim, they all live by their religion and are only faithful to the Koran. This event is really just a facade and to create a good image in the eyes of the less astute, analogous to the toy run held by the bikies. Both events simply sanitize facts. All religion, especially fundamental, be it Muslim or "christian" is dangerous. Religion is as Huxley correctly observed, the Opium of the masses. More people have died in the name of religion than from any other cause. A fundamental "christian" is just as dangerous as a fundamental Muslim. FlagShare LikeReply Ali Ali Oct 13, 2016 @John Can't it be "moderate religion" like billions of people around the world? You seem to be taking a religious person as equal to a "fundamental" religious person. FYI, a non-religious person here. FlagShare LikeReply Richard Richard Oct 13, 2016 Bernard Humphreys did a great job with his report about the Muslim march in Adelaide commemorating the Battle of Karbala in which Husain ibn Ali (the third Imam of Shia Islam) and his associates were killed by the forces of the oppressive Umayyad caliph, Yazi I (Sunni Muslim), for claiming to be the legitimate Islamic leader due largely to his nepotistic claim to this position (he was the grandson of the prophet Mohammad) despite little support among most Muslims at the time. This commemoration tacitly asserts the legitimacy of Shia Islam while rejecting the legitimacy of Sunni Islam, which is why it historically provokes violence. This commemoration is akin to Catholics holding a march commemorating the slaughter of a martyred Catholic leader and his associates by an oppressive Protestant leader as a result of rejecting his claim to leadership of local Christians who overwhelmingly supported him. Thus a recipe for sectarian violence. What next? Perhaps Muslims might commemorate the Villefranche-de-Rouergue Mutiny in which Muslim members of the13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) mutinied on September 16, 1943, in the French town of Villefranche-de-Rouergue. I imagine them marching down King William Street in Waffen SS uniforms. Readers might like to know that some Christians are planning an annual march commemorating the victims of two Muslim gunmen (Badsha Mahommed Gool, an ice-cream vendor, and Mullah Abdullah, a local imam and halal butcher, who were former camel-drivers) who ambushed a trainload full of Christian sightseers in 1915 (Battle of Broken Hill), murdering men, women and children. They believe the suffering of these martyred Christians and the brutality of the depraved Muslim terrorists must never be forgotten, and believe opposition would amount to a racist-like attack on Christendom driven by hateful Christianphobic bigotry, thus an attack on every Christian in Australia, and tacit support for Islamic terrorism. These Christians believe such a march is a religious duty and a ban would be a monstrous violation of their religious freedom. If the state failed to stop Muslims attacking this march I imagine that this might lead to a brutal conflict lasting generations involving massacres and ethnic cleansing like we see in Syria and Myanmar. Would this be the “blood price” of religious freedom and multiculturism? In closing, public marches that commemorate or celebrate violent conflicts are rightly banned, especially if they are of a sectarian nature that keep alive ancient religious conflicts and naturally lead to violence. The only exception would be secular state run marches that promote social cohesion like Anzac Day. If not then Australia will become increasingly Balkanized and eventually break apart as groups seek safety by creating their own enclaves as conflicts worsen, just as Sudan split with the creation of South Sudan in 2011. FlagShare LikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 13, 2016 @Richard 458 words and not a point to it. FlagShare LikeReply Barrie Barrie Oct 13, 2016 I don't get their reasoning except that they are trying to indicate that they are against Islamic State by recalling an event that occured 1300 years ago. This is Australia and not a place to revive history to prove what a group of moderate Muslims think. They may be moderates but note the dress, and where were the men? I think it was a public relations exercise, nothing more. It is a also a case of Town Hall multiculturalism going one step too far that sets a precedent. FlagShare LikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 @Barrie I guess it's like us using rememberance day to reflect on the toll war takes and how lucky we are to have peace. FlagShare LikeReply Anders Anders Oct 13, 2016 @Barrie They were protesting against a tyrant. Pardon me for laughing, but it didn't do them much good. In fact, the lefties have themselves screamed that US was wrong for removing tyrants because that's the only form of government that works in the Middle East. How many different ways can you have it? FlagShare 1stuartLikeReply Rupey Rupey Oct 13, 2016 But, but, but, Andrew Bolt said Muslims never condemn IS, so this must have been for something else, maybe Global Cooling Andrew?? FlagShare 1KatiLikeReply Brian Brian Oct 13, 2016 @Rupey These are Shia, ISIS are Sunni. There is always conflict between them. Any condemnation involved will be political not moral. FlagShare 1Sam CLikeReply Anders Anders Oct 13, 2016 There is no dichotomy between peaceful Muslims and the Jihadi. There is a progression of devoutness and support for hostility and the use of force, with every point in between occupied. It's exactly the same with Americans and most other cultures, including citizens of our high-crime suburbs. FlagShare LikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 Well if that's not a perfect example of a large group of moderate Muslims in Australiai opposing extremism publicly then I don't know what is. Meanwhile the majority of the comments below prove the islamaphobia and facism in our country. To quote Mercutio from Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet 'Be Satisfied'. FlagShare 2AliRupeyLikeReply Gordon Gordon Oct 13, 2016 So when are they marching against the current extremism and world wide jihad? FlagShare 2stuartAndersLikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 @Gordon Can you not read? FlagShare LikeReply stuart stuart Oct 13, 2016 @Gordon Better still when are they going to rise and fight against it, instead of allowing it to come to our communities FlagShare LikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 @stuart Do you even understand what is going on in Syria? Wow. Try google for a start. FlagShare LikeReply Miss Miss Oct 13, 2016 Headline should read "SA's Shia Muslims". Why are they all women and children? The males were at the head of the march by any chance? FlagShare 1BrianLikeReply stuart stuart Oct 13, 2016 @Miss Nah, surely the males are off fighting for their rights and what they believe in. FlagShare LikeReply Jenny Jenny Oct 13, 2016 I just wish there wasnt religion and extremism in this world. In theory Religion was suppose to be a peaceful and caring doctrine but it turns out in practice to be the reverse. FlagShare 2RupeyKatiLikeReply Barrie Barrie Oct 13, 2016 @Jenny Jenny may I say with respect for your opinion that it is not religion,but what and how people structure it, or invent it for self interest. The Christian faith is the true faith because it honours God correctly as the Creator of all things. Anything that differs usurps the truth but, I must acknowledge that there are differences in how many see the Christian faith and that is the confusing issue to so many. A true Christian has an ongoing relationship with God and does not require human inbetweens. Conversation with God is a norm and not beholding to those who have self interests and believe that they are the only religion/faith. So many religions are clothed in antiquated and anachronistic rituals and performances that have no place in God's world. I cannot fathom as a mature age and practical theology student, how so many people can deliberately misinterpret the Bible by reading it,yet failing to understand the narrative. They do not understand it yet they preach what they do not understand. That is where the damage has been,as is still being done So Jenny to back to your comment; if people read and sought assistance from people who are not self interested antiquated Bible bashers, then yes, the true Christian religion would change the world. FlagShare LikeReply Brian Brian Oct 13, 2016 @Jenny Extremism of any sort can be readily discerned. They are the ones who do their best to shut down any opposing voice by any means possible while pushing their views as loudly as possible. FlagShare LikeReply Roger Roger Oct 13, 2016 Adam Savage (Mythbusters) is the true prophet, 'I reject your reality and substitute my own' FlagShare 1RupeyLikeReply Martin Martin Oct 13, 2016 When they stop the violence in their community and become interested in being a part of the Australian community I will take them seriously! FlagShare 7stuartKennyAndersjoLikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 @Martin So here they are denouncing extremism and you're still not satisfied........what exactly is it that you want, a freaking ham sandwich from them? FlagShare 2RupeyPeterLikeReply Tim Tim Oct 13, 2016 "a symbol of peace, freedom, equality and opposition to tyranny." Hilarious, now that my friends is comedy GOLD! FlagShare 5stuartjonayf001ALISONLikeReply Charlotte Charlotte Oct 13, 2016 Actually, yes it is. So if you don't know anything then don't say it. FlagShare LikeReply John John Oct 13, 2016 They could have done with one of these marches in Sydney yesterday. FlagShare 4jonayf001GaryToniLikeReply Ashley Ashley Oct 13, 2016 Allow this, then that and then what ? FlagShare 2DanALISONLikeReply jon jon Oct 13, 2016 @Ashley. So Muslims can't march but everybody else can? FlagShare 3NaomiKatiSueLikeReply Dan Dan Oct 13, 2016 @jon Yeah, but show me another ethnic group that marches for something completely unrelated to our shared Australian history. Do Greeks march in honour of Alexander, or Italians for Julius Caesar? By marching down main street, they're forcing us to stop and recognise some relic of the past to which we share no allegiance or understanding. Why should we be forced to do that? FlagShare 1stuartLikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 @Dan @jon Like the xmas pageant you mean? FlagShare LikeReply Sue Sue Oct 13, 2016 @Kati @Dan @jon The Christmas Pageant is actually pretty secular.. very commercial.. It features Santa Claus and a grotto of commercialism not Jesus at the Nativity... is full of storybook characters, not Bible characters, and is held months ahead of the gazetted public holiday ' (which is only one version of Christmas day anyway...) A better analogy would be orthodox or catholic saints day marches & fairs in various suburbs.. or the swimming for the cross at Henley/Grange jetty... Plenty of us would like to rearranged the gazetted holidays.. off of religious dates like Catholic Christmas, Catholic Easter, or culturally difficult dates like Australia (Sydney settlement) Day FlagShare 1stuartLikeReply Scott Scott Oct 13, 2016 @Kati @Dan @jon How many people did Santa kill Kati?? FlagShare 1stuartLikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 13, 2016 @Scott @Kati @Dan @jon Got the Klaus out Scott! FlagShare LikeReply CJR CJR Oct 13, 2016 As an Atheist, I just wanted to get where I was going in the city without being held-up by religious nonsense. FlagShare 8Danjonayf001ALISONLikeReply jon jon Oct 13, 2016 @CJR. It wasn't religious it was in support of not killing people. FlagShare 1KatiLikeReply Eat More Greens Eat More Greens Oct 13, 2016 @jon "It wasn't religious it was in support of not killing people". What was it an earlier poster said about there being none so blind as those who will not see? FlagShare LikeReply Scott Scott Oct 12, 2016 Should be illegal FlagShare 5stuartnayf001ALISONToniLikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 12, 2016 @Scott The right to celebrate ones heroes and/or religious anniversaries? FlagShare 3NaomiKatiAlLikeReply Ali Ali Oct 12, 2016 @Bob why not in Adelaide most of participants are Australian citizens or residents and we are against ISIS and fully supports world fight against them FlagShare 7JaniceNaomiPeterTrishLikeReply Bob Bob Oct 12, 2016 Oh really? Perhaps they should be fighting oppression in the places they came from instead of Adelaide? FlagShare 12stuartjoALISONRogerLikeReply Kati Kati Oct 13, 2016 @Bob Why would they do that when they live here? Are you going to fight injustices in the varied lands your forefathers came from? FlagShare LikeReply Mike 61 Mike 61 Oct 12, 2016 Yep now switch to Europe and see where it ends up. FlagShare 14stuartjonayf001ALISONLikeReply mick mick Oct 12, 2016 @Mike 61 too true mate FlagShare 2nayf001ToniLikeReply Ali Ali Oct 12, 2016 Influence of Imam Hussain (a.s) & Karabala ideology on Nelson Mandela:- Imam Hussain(a.s) and Karbala movement is ideal for all oppressed nations and freedom seeking movements of the world. Even for the Nelson Mandela.According to one of the writings of him Nelson Mandela wrote:- I(Nelson Mandela) has spent more than 20 years in prison, then on one night I decided to surrender by signing all the terms and conditions of government.BUT suddenly I thought about Imam Hussain and Karbala movement and Imam Hussain give me strenght to stand for right of freedom and liberation and I did. FlagShare 4AlSteveFamMarlaLikeReply jack jack Oct 12, 2016 does this mean we can have a Protestant Orange Walk in muslim countries? FlagShare 20stuartjonayf001ALISONLikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 12, 2016 @jack Or an Easter parade? Or a Christmas pageant? or an ANZAC march? FlagShare 20markstuartKennyjoLikeReply Steve Steve Oct 12, 2016 Well indeed Xmas and Easter is observed in many Countries where the Muslim faith is followed and indeed many 'Muslim' countries would happily support the ANZAC's as so many Australian soldiers fought with Muslims against the likes of Nazi Germany.... FlagShare 5JaniceNaomijonToniLikeReply jon jon Oct 13, 2016 @jack. @Gustav. Why is that important? We're not in those places we're more tolerant, that's why we like it here. FlagShare 2KatijoLikeReply Dan Dan Oct 13, 2016 @Gustav @jack These marches/parades reflect widespread and well understood Australian cultural practice, our collective, shared history. This march does not, that makes it different. FlagShare LikeReply Gordon Gordon Oct 13, 2016 @Steve So you think the Muslims were fighting the Nazi's? Trying to save the Jews perhaps. What history have you been reading? Not this planets. FlagShare 1stuartLikeReply Ali Ali Oct 12, 2016 Ali Walay "I learned from Hussain how to be wronged and be a winner, I learnt from Hussain how to attain victory while being oppressed." Mahatma Gandhi FlagShare 5KatiAlSteveFamLikeReply Eric Eric Oct 12, 2016 So they have the same issues that the Irish Protestants and Catholics do? Isn't all religion just a total waste of time and effort? FlagShare 15SuejoJennyALISONLikeReply Steven Steven Oct 12, 2016 @Eric You aren't being asked to join in are you? FlagShare 4jonadrianMarlaMichelleLikeReply Janice Janice Oct 13, 2016 @Eric no FlagShare LikeReply Tiger Tiger Oct 12, 2016 Nice that their welfare cheques afford them the luxury of taking time out for a leisurely stroll and a day in the park. FlagShare 17stuartGillianjonayf001LikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 12, 2016 @Tiger Based on What? They look unemployed / all muslims dont work/ you just don't like them? FlagShare 11KatiNaomiPeterTrishLikeReply moga moga Oct 12, 2016 @Tiger They look well-fed. They are probably not out splurging the dole money on ice. FlagShare 3NaomiAlMarkLikeReply Sylvia Sylvia Oct 13, 2016 @Tiger I betja you wouldn't be saying the same thing when zillions of people line he streets for useless events such as 'welcoming home our Olympic champions' or other silly sporting events.... FlagShare 1jonLikeReply jon jon Oct 13, 2016 @Tiger. How can you even make that assumption? FlagShare 1KatiLikeReply Matthew Matthew Oct 12, 2016 This is not terrorism, it's just part of their religion. FlagShare 7jonAlFamMaryLikeReply Mike 61 Mike 61 Oct 12, 2016 @Matthew Now go and study their religion and you'll find out all about such things as jizyya and taqiyya etc.... very enlightening. FlagShare 7nayf001BrianGaryToniLikeReply Kath Kath Oct 12, 2016 My understanding of this holiday is in fact that it is memoriam of a grandson of the Prophet who was not chosen to succeed. He disagreed with who was chosen to succeed and chose to stand against him and given it was 4000 against 72 they were massacred. Not convinced this is as simple as 'he fought against the ancient predecessors of ISIS'...that might be misleading. Probably has more to do with the Shiite v Sunni argument. FlagShare 11stuartSueALISONToniLikeReply Fam Fam Oct 12, 2016 More than 30000 against 72-140 ( as per different resources) . Read about Yazid bin Muwayia and you will know why Imam Hussein (AS) stood against the evil. Shia and Sunni are united against ISIS and Alqaida ( Wahabi ideology ). ISIS hate Shia Muslims the most and have been killing them all over the world mercilessly. FlagShare 2PeterAlLikeReply Eat More Greens Eat More Greens Oct 12, 2016 @Fam "Shia and Sunni are united against ISIS and Alqaida ( Wahabi ideology)". You speak with the air of someone who is an authority Fam, but on this you are clearly wrong. There is a substantial Sunni constituency in the ME who support IS and this has been well documented and reported. I'm also intrigued by the suggestion Shia and Sunni Muslims are united on anything - that's certainly not the impression we get from the world media. Perhaps you could provide a bit more detail on the 'unity' between Sunni and Shia and how that is manifested? FlagShare 10stuartnayf001RogerToniLikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 12, 2016 @Eat More Greens @Fam "certainly not the impression we get from the world media." Surely you are not that naive EMG. I applaud Fam for bothering to actually research. Knowledge is the enemy of intolerance and ignorance and needs to be encouraged. FlagShare 3PeterAlFamLikeReply Eat More Greens Eat More Greens Oct 12, 2016 @Gustav @Eat More Greens @Fam You applaud Fam even if she's wrong? FlagShare 2nayf001ToniLikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 12, 2016 @Eat More Greens @Gustav @Fam Right and wrong truth and lies black and white us and them .....the inability of many to see anything but opposites. The reality is that harmony and equilibrium lies in the middle ground. FlagShare 5KatiPeterdavidAlLikeReply Eat More Greens Eat More Greens Oct 12, 2016 @Gustav @Eat More Greens @Fam Thanks Gustav, I truly enjoyed that! FlagShare LikeReply The watchman The watchman Oct 13, 2016 @Fam Shia and Sunni are united against ISIS and Alqaida ( Wahabi ideology ). ...rubbish. Alqaeda are Sunni. Fact. FlagShare 4stuartnayf001ToniEat More GreensLikeReply The watchman The watchman Oct 13, 2016 @Gustav @Eat More Greens @Fam Where do you live? Utopia? FlagShare 1adamLikeReply Michael Michael Oct 13, 2016 Fact. You like that word. FlagShare LikeReply Nima Nima Oct 13, 2016 @The watchman Its all about POLITICAL control over Islam, and not religious. Saudi Arabia declared themselves the center of world Islam because they house Mecca whereas Iran suggest they have the 'Supreme Leader' so they should be the leaders... and there started decades of wars for power... nothing to do with religion. FlagShare LikeReply rod rod Oct 12, 2016 Christians and Muslim's have murdered millions over the centuries. FlagShare 3JennyAladrianLikeReply Derek Derek Oct 12, 2016 @rod People have KILLED other people in the NAME of RELIGION, regardless of persuasion, Sometimes Religion is just a byproduct of the original argument ? FlagShare 11Peternayf001BrianjonLikeReply jim jim Oct 12, 2016 The only reason why you have so much freedom these days is because of Christianity Rod, never forget that while you use your freedom to bag it FlagShare 22Gilliannayf001ToniBrianLikeReply Steven Steven Oct 12, 2016 @Derek @rod Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Mussolini - all declared Atheists - killed millions in the name of their demented ideas. FlagShare 12BrianBAlNotPCLikeReply Kevin Kevin Oct 12, 2016 @rod More have been murdered by atheists than people killed in the name of religion. Look at Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. So your assertion is nothing more than nonsense. In fact it is all in the name of politics. Religion is simply a tool. Hitler used it against the Jews. ISIS is using it against the west and fellow Muslims. Stop the stupid - look what religion caused - argument and look at it objectively. It is all about politics and power. FlagShare 9BrianjonAlMLikeReply joey joey Oct 12, 2016 @Rod....And Atheists, Plumbers, Electricians, lawyers, actors, polo players have killed people as well...is it individuals that kill "ROD"..or are the plumbers taught at tafe... FlagShare 2jonRossLikeReply Gillian Gillian Oct 12, 2016 @rod Christians do not advocate for the loss of freedom and liberty like islam does. Islam practices apostasy, and death, violence and intimidation is par for the course if you insult of prophet. And we are talking NOW, in this day and age, across all countries and races that practice this cult like religion. FlagShare 11stuartnayf001ToniBrianLikeReply Mark Mark Oct 12, 2016 @Gillian @rod Read the O T. Especially Leviticus and the rest of the Torah ( 1st 5 books in our Old Testament). FlagShare 2AlFamLikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 12, 2016 @Gillian @rod I think you forget the first word of your rant Gillian........Modern Christians...... FlagShare 2AlFamLikeReply Bob Bob Oct 12, 2016 @Steven @Derek @rod But I hear they were all very kind to their mothers! FlagShare 3SuejonAlLikeReply Sue Sue Oct 13, 2016 @Gillian @rod So those Christians who kill to prevent abortion, or those who wont accept homosexuals into their congregation, or those who prevent the use of contraception ensuring poverty, disease & overpopulation in emerging nations aren't advocating any loss of liberty or freedom? Their fundamentalism seeks to make others conform to their version of 'truth' for their own good just like any other cults' extremist nutters. Total separation of religion and law is the only way to keep the 'my deity is right and your is wrong' powergrab form causing misery.. Note... absolute dictators make themselves the deity and their cult of personality is in the same bag as organised religion, so don't argue Mao, PoloPot and Stalin and Hitler... FlagShare LikeReply jim jim Oct 13, 2016 I don't know about Christians killing people to prevent abortion but there's a good reason why they don't let homosexuals into their congregation and they shouldn't be forced to accept them because wouldn't that be going against your argument? After all isn't that their "truth" for their own good? Also yes Christians love life so of course they're against abortion and contraception, far out wear some protection or don't have sex if you don't want a kid, get some self control. FlagShare LikeReply Derek Derek Oct 12, 2016 Did they march in Syria ?or are they only allowed to march in a FREE world. Lucky they are allowed here to do that then! Must watch the World News to see all the fighting stopped in Aleppo? just googled NOPE? We are a Great country FlagShare 12stuartnayf001ToniNotPCLikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 12, 2016 @Derek And that very freedom is what will eventually win against the radicals.. FlagShare 3jonAlFamLikeReply Bob Bob Oct 12, 2016 @Gustav @Derek Be careful.....You'll get locked up saying things like that! FlagShare LikeReply NotPC NotPC Oct 12, 2016 @Gustav @Derek Yes we will just design a useless hashtag and place some flowers somewhere ... that will bring ace and stop the murderers! FlagShare 1ToniLikeReply Gillian Gillian Oct 12, 2016 Never mind that IS are following Islam by the word. FlagShare 5stuartnayf001ToniBrianLikeReply Gustav Gustav Oct 12, 2016 @Gillian Or as interpreted by their Imams. Therein lies the problem. FlagShare 3KatiAlFamLikeReply Brian Brian Oct 13, 2016 @Gustav @Gillian True, but these Imams seem to have little trouble convincing other Muslims of the truth of their interpretation, so it can't be far off. And this applies in Australia as much as in Syria! FlagShare 2stuartToniLikeReply Sandy D. Sandy D. Oct 12, 2016 Couldn't they simply have had some sort of lunch in the park? FlagShare 7nayf001ToniRossadamLikeReply jon jon Oct 13, 2016 @Sandy D. Why because it suits you? FlagShare 1KatiLikeReply Sandy D. Sandy D. Oct 13, 2016 Food would have been good and traffic not disrupted. FlagShare LikeReply Show More Comments

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